December 2008 Poll Results

your right Raikoh, light would have killed all the people he could with the death note. after that i think ethier him or Lelouch would get the others kill each other, my moneys still on light though

Posted by Kazewindguy at 01/24/09 18:32:30

Maybe Light could kill them but Goku AND Ichigo is really fast so he don't really have a chans to write in the book.

Posted by TheBadGamer at 01/24/09 19:06:02

of course goku would win in a battle royale. He can destroy whole planets for crying out loud!

Posted by guest at 01/24/09 19:49:11

Im sure goku would be able to obliterate everything even before light could write his name down. And plus, how would light even know any of the people's names to begin with?

Posted by AB at 01/24/09 20:37:59

umm, dont all the people usely tell the people there fighting there names?? and i dont think Goku would go all "super plant destroy" so quickly, thus giving light time to write down his name, and i think that they would be fighting each other. i mean "oh hey, he has a sword and is clearly a danger, but i think am going to kill the kid with a book first" i dont think they would do that

Posted by Kazewindguy at 01/24/09 21:33:55

i think luluoch would win because he could just tell everyone to kill themselves and light in second place if he knew everyones full names

Posted by Haseo at 01/24/09 21:43:05

Goku would win because light doesn't know his real name (kakarot)

Posted by Elleeed at 01/24/09 22:29:52

"of course goku would win in a battle royale. He can destroy whole planets for crying out loud!"

Yeah but it'd take him 15 minutes of straight yelling to power up first.

Posted by Raikoh at 01/24/09 23:06:34

Luffy would kill Light before he could pull out his diary and Goku would kill Lelouch. Then the real battle would begin.

Posted by Monkey D. Allen at 01/24/09 23:25:54

goku would simply kamahamaha the planet they were on then use dragonballs to bring everyone but his opponents back to life. what did you expectt goku is the biggest baddest oldest most classic guy in all of anime.

Posted by djld/sekirei is a great show at 01/24/09 23:37:07

i say naruto and his multi-shadow clone jutsu would pwn every because he was the only kid mentioned i believe, ans who would jump a kid right off the bat,but then light is his biggest threat i'll admit it is stupid that he does this all the time "i'm naruto uzumaki! Believe it!"

Posted by naruto at 01/24/09 23:37:36

o and i cecond what monkey d. allen said. luffy kills liight, goku kills leluoch, might take a little while, but then thats a classic fight that would go down in history.ichigo with his half mask demonic black sword, with speed to match goku's luffy with his krazy ass and of course power , finally goku, the classic with the power to destroy planets and yet as fun and crazy as luffy, or acxtually vis versa. age of course

Posted by djld/sekirei is a great show at 01/24/09 23:44:13

Now the real question is would goku or the kyuubi win in a fight?

Posted by Kyuchan at 01/25/09 00:00:28

dudez ur jack asses all light haz to do is cut his life span and get a shinigamis eye then get every body s name and kill them then get before he killz goku write down get me the dragon ballz and eat ur self and when goku comez back with the dragon ballz light will wish him self imortal thus the starting of the "new world"

Posted by haha im dume smart at 01/25/09 00:48:52

Meh, it all depends really on how the fight would start, what kind of a fight it would be and at what point everyone would fight as, example naruto. kyuubi naruto? sage naruto? kid naruto? est. and ichigo. bankai ichigo? hollow mask ichigo? normal ichigo? and so on. Too many unknowns in this "who would win in a fight" question.

Posted by MEH at 01/25/09 01:33:44

There really are too many variables in that fight. But I assumed they can power-up and voted for Goku because...well, I watched DBZ. xD

And I always thought that Light was more of a behind-the-scenes type of killer so unless he was hidden and knew all of their names...no. Or maybe if he had Lelouch's brain. xD

Posted by H! at 01/25/09 02:28:48

Even if Light could kill Goku
That wouldn't matter none
He's been dead before (More than Once)But still always managed to save the day.

Posted by sumguy at 01/25/09 02:41:34

lmao basically its like this, GOKU would win because in the GT episodes he fused with the Dragon and became immortal. Therefore, he cant die... THE END!!

Posted by Yuki the gr8 at 01/25/09 03:06:35

Light can't kill Goku though. <.<
He needs Goku's REAL name to kill him with the book and since no one on that poll knows his real name. Light is screwed.

Posted by Iori Yagami at 01/25/09 03:45:28

Light doesn't know goku's real name.

Posted by This guy at 01/25/09 04:04:20

Goku would Introduce himself as Son Goku but that's not his name his name is Kakarot ^^ Light would just die. Also it might be fair to say that Naruto's real name is Namikaze Naruto ^^.

Posted by Someone at 01/25/09 07:16:28

Oh come on. Light might kill everyone in the first 45 seconds if he knew their names (which isnt the case), but all the other fighters are people who can break rocks with their fists and kill Lelouch and Light in 2 freaking seconds if they want to. How did Light even get in there?

Maybe Lelouch would be able to do something thanks to his geass, he just have to do eye contact pretty fast, but Light wont ever be able to learn the name of someone before hes reduced to a bloody pulp.

Posted by Querzis at 01/25/09 09:25:00

i'm more of an ichigo fan ... he could actually pwn anyone to be honest .. because of his speed
goku ... well he just takes too long to actually do anything ... one of his attacks can sometimes take 3 episodes or something
lelouch ... ashamed to say i don't know him that well
light ... well as raikoh said, he can't kill ichigo since ichigo is a shinigami
luffy ... just cut that guy into many rubber balls ... or attack him with a reiatsu based attack ..
alien walker .. dunno him
and naruto ... well since hes usually hurting himself with his attacks, and the fact that hes much slower than ichigo ...
ichigo could kill him in several ways
and naruto's new uber attack wouldn't work either ... ichigo is too fast, he could cut down all the chakra needles or dodge em if he wanted to + naruto would pwn himself

Posted by Gerbon at 01/25/09 11:36:40

Oh come on! All light needs to do is get the shinigami eyes, and he could obliterate everyone except Ichigo (who is a shinigami).

Also, don't you think Light would be smarter than just joining a Battle Royal? He would have already made a plan B, C, E, and F, and he would have researched and found everyone's name if he wouldn't accept the eyes.

Lelouch would be the winner if he could hide his name. All he has to do is use his cheating command "Bitch make me a sandwhich and do everything else I command you to do" on the most powerful warrior, Son Goku. Goku will probably handle everyone in .2 seconds except Light who would already anticipate Lelouch using his Geass on Goku and killing the tool.

Lelouch, being the charismatic genius he is, would never allow Light to see his face. As a matter of fact, seeing as you still need a face to go with that name, Lelouch has a great chance of winning. Lelouch next target would be Ichigo whom the Death Note fails on. After he has the shinigami replacement kill the most dangerious combatant, Light, Lelouch would order Ichigo to finish off everyone except himself who Goku failed to kill the first time around. Everyone including himself.

See! The battle comes down to the thinkers.

Wait, oh shit. Who the fuck is Allen Walker? That is a variable I can't comment on. I don't know him or his abilities! Probably die too unless he is a shinigami!

Posted by God of Black Cock at 01/25/09 13:46:18

P.S:

Even in Kyuubi mode or Sage Mode, Naruto couldn't touch a SSJ2 Goku. Lets not forget the series ended with Goku at SSJ3! That eyebrow-less monkey would "totally pwn the shit out of" Luffy, Naruto, and just about everyone else who isn't a genius!

P.S.S:

Another Variable would be Light's cockiness. After memorizing most of everyone's names and faces, Light would undoubtable use the Death Note on everyone. It would probably fail on Ichigo, but since Light is such a cocky bastard, he wouldn't expect that too much.

In my humble opinion, the battle should always be won with either Lelouch or a Lelouch-Light alliance. Everyone I recognize are talkers. They all pause and talk (with the possible exception of Allen Walker), so that gives Light and Lelouch a chance to use their god-like wit against them. And plus, when you see someone like Goku or Ichigo on the field, you don't go after the person with the book or fancy clothing unless you know some shit about them first.

Ain't logic grand?

Posted by God of Black Cock at 01/25/09 13:56:00

P.S.S.S:

Pardon my triple posting but....

Dragon Ball GT is not a canon part of the series. It is filled with more plotholes than every anime (with characters on this pole) combined. It is more of a fan mini-series.

Plus, Shinron is only as immortal as the Dragon balls. If the gaurdian of the Earth dies, then it is all over for Shinron (and Goku if you want to use GT).

Posted by God of Black Cock at 01/25/09 13:59:10

GGed ichigo would win no doubt cause no one could see him wen he's the soul reaper..
or If they could see Ichigo some how then prob lelouch would win at thestart of the round wen they are introducing the "fighters" cause then they call zero most of everyone would look at him (nAruto for sure).. and then GG rite there. light can't do shit. goku mayb if he charges up in time. the rest is GGed..

Posted by Keyan at 01/25/09 14:24:41

The only problem with that is that then Goku would be a ghost then still kick their ass.

Posted by Kanti at 01/25/09 15:26:11

death note wouldn't work on goku. it kills humans. goku's a saiyan.

Posted by Voice of Reason at 01/25/09 22:01:26

goku's real name is kakarott (or however you spell it), so the death note would do nothing.

Posted by bizzy bassderd at 01/25/09 22:20:34

Lelouch would just command light to use the death note to kill everyone: battle concluded in 40sec

Posted by rawrawraw at 01/26/09 02:15:57

Light writes in his book:

"g..."

Massive amounts of blood.

Posted by ummm at 01/26/09 07:58:25

No one wins ! Since they are all good guys they probably talk and end the fight or talk and ganking on Light since hes an ass hole =D

Allen Walker stand no chance of killing anyone since his weapon is for killing akuma and cant kill human (notice when he slice Tyki it only kills Noah)

Naruto is too dam slow even with the Kyubi madness and he probably die b4 he even use that shit

Lelouch would have use geass on other and make them kill each other

Goku can win easy but he wouldnt blast and destroy the world =.= and when he dies he comes back =D

No one Can see Ichigo exept Light since he can see shinigami and he probably kill ichigo while he is a human =D

Posted by TAT at 01/26/09 08:06:01

goku can fight with his eyes closed and can instantly teleport if light lifts a pen than can easily slap him.

Posted by srs? at 01/26/09 17:51:38

I have one word for all of you GEASS, Lelouch could easily geass everyone into killing themselves, or he would team up with light and conquer the battle with intelligence. Then they would try to betray one another.

Besides Goku is weak against heart attacks, and there is no way he would start a meaningless battle, and destroy the earth he has protected countless times.

Posted by Light Zero Alliance at 01/26/09 18:34:07

Since when has death stopped Goku?

Posted by The real winner is Cthulhu at 01/26/09 22:26:42

Naruto or Ichigo wins. Period. Light kills Goku and Luffy before they can use their rediculously long-named attacks by using Misa's eyes (since he can control peoples actions before killing them). The Nine-Tailed Fox then takes over Naruto's body. He obliterates Light into nothing with a Rasengan. Lelouch then has his soul ripped out of his body and thrown into the gates of hell (soul reapers can't be seen by the living, rendering his Geass useless). I don't know who Allen is, but no matter continued

Posted by Grim Reaper, Lord of Chaos at 01/26/09 23:49:50

what happens, he is screwed. After that, I don't have a clue. The Nine-Tailed Fox is nearly impossible to kill as far as I know, but Ichigo fights similar creatures on a daily basis, so he might have a trick or two up his sleave. No matter how I look at it, it all equals one big, fat paycheck for me. ^_^

Posted by Grim Reaper, Lord of Chaos at 01/26/09 23:59:34

ok first of all if we are assuming that all these characters have thrown away all the beliefes and kill relativly innocent people (except light and lelauch) than the obviouse answer is goku the guy moves faster than speed of light it would take him most likely about 0.5 seconds to break everyones necks except luffy since he is rubber and even once he figures taht out luffy wont last much, in the histoy of manga no matter what setitation goku alwasy comes up on top for one thing even if he dies the guy is stronger than god in his universe(if anyone didn't know the supremkai's were suppose to represent god) now if goku wasn't than one thing is for sure that ligh and lelouch don't stand a chance since their powers requir time and planing and dispite luffy and naruto being dum they can easily figure out their enemys power i mena they are very experienced fighter and also seing as how nunnaly was able to, to an extent fight the geass with her "pureness" i am prety sure naruto luffy and allen will be able to aswell atleast long enough to kick his ass anyway there are to many unknow variables if goku wasn't there but as long as he is everyone else is done.

also allens weapon might only work on akuma he still has consederable amount of physical strength remember his 1 finger push ups.

Posted by Goku for sure at 01/27/09 00:43:08

but you all forget about the pew factor

Posted by the man with a plan at 01/27/09 00:52:05

dude seriously even if light kills goku... hes comming back... hes freggin cheap like that! he died ALREADY hed probably find some stupidass way to come back and... wait would he even kill him?

Posted by random pervert at 01/27/09 01:45:59

No he wouldn't, an even if Goku wasn't there that would Mean most likely Luffy wins. And Allen isn't as wimpy as you think, He's King Clown works on humans too. But then Luffy is made of Rubber. So this is how it plays out without Goku. Luffy punches Lelouch or Light into Space while Naruto/Ichigo get the other one and the left over one fights Allen. Then it's a brawl, Luffy goes third gear and Takes out everyone but Ichigo then they just stand there because Ichigo still can't hit 'because' he's a soul reaper and can't actualy touch any of them with his fancy showy moves and would get Stabbed by brooke the skeleton.

Posted by Kanti at 01/28/09 14:26:41

Not to mention, goku is a nick-name. his real name was kakurat or something like that. Also he may have had a last name no one knows.

Posted by Goku FTW at 01/28/09 15:14:01

ummm, can light even use the death note to kill goku, cuz goku isnt human. does the death note effect aliens?

Posted by Cloud at 01/28/09 23:14:48

1) It was never stated, atleast I don't remember, that it only worked on humans!

2) Light could get the Shinigami's eyes, so he could find out everyone's name. Duh.

3) Luffy would be one of the first down. He's completely useless against sharp objects or people who can incinerate him with a ki blast.

4) Ichigo is fast, and so is Goku. I want you to know, however, speed plays a backseat role when you have thinkers like Light and Lelouch.

5) Lelouch's geass doesn't require more than a split second to work, and far as I seen, the person he uses it on freeze while being commanded.

6) Lelouch is great at improvising(sp?). He could come up with a plan within seconds if his initialed one failed.

7) The dragon balls are required to resurrect Goku. If the guardian dies, the dragon balls are useless, spherical stones. Who could kill the guardian before the match...it couldn't possibly be anyone in the match.

7.5) The dragon balls can be used by anyone. If you want to bring them into this discussion, any person smart enough, i.e. the geniuses Light and Lelouch, could wish themselves immortal.

8) If we bring elements like the dragon balls into this arguement, we should also be able to call in Death Note universe's afterlife. In other words, if the dragon balls are allowed in the conversation, I could just as easily say that there wouldn't be an afterlife for Goku to return to.

9) I'm not sure how this works since I didn't complete the series, but Lelouch should be able to trade his Geass for C.C.'s version of immortality.

10) Goku's name isn't a nickname. It is Kakurat. Goku is what he was renamed! When he was a baby, he was Kakurat, a saiyan warrior. Now, he is a Z-Fighter, and thus, his name is Son Goku. He was renamed!

11) It is a bit difficult to actually argue this since we don't know the setup of this battle. Is it like a tournament, and everyone is given time to prepare? Or is it a suprise dump-everyone-in-a-field and fight type battle?

11.5) Do we take in consideration the people's personality or motivation in this battle?

12) Naruto has already said he won't use the Kyuubi anymore. He hasn't yet, so stop bringing it up. If he isn't severely hurt or unconscious, the Kyuubi will not appear.

13) Naruto will probably die the same time around Luffy.

14) Seriously, Luffy, Goku, and Naruto are the I know for a fact will die quickest.

15) We don't know all the Death Note's restrictions and abilities. Don't go around saying that the Death Note won't work on Goku because he's an alien if you don't know. Fucking ridicules.

16) Quick fact about the Kyuubi-Naruto:

The chakra protects his outside which presents some okay defense for the inside, but a heart attack will still affect him. Prolonged usage is dangerous.

17) Ichigo is the only powerhouse I know of in the selection that stands a chance against Light and Lelouch.

Posted by God of Black Cock at 01/29/09 00:20:49

@Kanti:

Wouldn't Lelouch use his Geass while being attacked? Or wouldn't Light be busy writing down Luffy's name while being attacked?

Or do you just downplay them because they don't have super-flashy, fancy super moves and attacks?

Also, wouldn't Luffy attack someone...y'know...dangerous looking or threatening. I stopped looking at One Piece a good while ago, but Luffy seems like the kind of guy to attack the presumably Strongest. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure.

And why do we cast Goku out? He'll fall just as easily to Geass as anyone else. I think.

Posted by God of Black Cock at 01/29/09 00:25:40

There are three ways this happens:

Every scenario that has the "thinkers" winning has them given enough time to act. If all of them were sent to an arena with the express intention of killing everyone in the room immediately, speed instantly becomes the most important factor. Sure, the Geass activates instantly, but it's not like Lelouch can actually turn his head enough to target anyone before Ichigo and Goku have started killing everyone in the area. I mean by the time Lelouch/Light finish turning their head in a typical "assessment of the battlefield" that any tactician worth anything does, Goku and Ichigo have started moving so fast as to be invisible and have already killed everyone on the list except each other. This is of course because Goku can't actually see Ichigo. One of them will win in this situation.

If everyone is given time to prepare and the order to kill, Light will kill everyone beforehand because he cheats like that. Except Ichigo. Cuz, you know, Shinigami. Ichigo wins in the final confrontation when only two people enter the arena on the chosen day. The last words out of his mouth are "Impossible...Shinigami..." because he's obviously noticed some things about Ichigo in the few seconds he had to live. Ryuk laughs in the background.

The third way is everyone is transported to an arena and then someone starts explaining the rules. Lelouch activiates Geass on people pretty much before the rules are laid out and everyone dies. Again, Ichigo is some sort of X-factor because you simply can't see him.

In general, I see Ichigo winning with the advantage of invisibility and super-speed.

Posted by Giant Robot at 01/31/09 23:15:28

Thanks, Giant Robot. I haven't been seeing that type of well-thought out post in this "thread".

The point you make is good.

However, if Light knew everyone's name and shit like that, Ichigo would be dead, too. I avoided saying this before, but Ichigo does have a human body. Wouldn't it be a technical victory if Light used his Death Note on Ichigo's body? Or hell, wouldn't it be a true victory if Lelouch used his Geass to affect Ichigo for he left out his human shell; likewise, wouldn't Light be able to use his Death Note on Ichigo before he is able to exit his body resulting in death and victory.

I would also like to disagree with your assessment that Light would kill everyone if they were allowed to prepare before the actual battle. To me, it is more likely that Lelouch, under the disguise of Zero as to hide his name and face both which are required for the Death Note to do it magic, would use his Geass on the one who he perceives as the most dangerous, the Death Note user. All he has to do is tell Light to handle everyone including himself and use his Geass on Ichigo before he goes shinigami-kickass mode.

I do have to agree that Ichigo would have of winning in a battle where they are thrown in an areana devoid of actual emotions and personality; however, shouldn't Naruto be able to atleast sense Ichigo's general direction? The ability to see a shinigami is based on spiritual power, no? If so, chakra in the Naruverse is half made up of spiritual power, and the ability to manipulate chakra (phsyical energy + spiritual power) is important as it allows them the ninjitsu and all that.

As such, seeing as Naruto at the moment can not only manipulate spiritual power with precision and relative ease, but as well other kinds of energy (see sage mode), he should be able to perceive Ichigo as atleast an area of distorted light. Naruto, being now the fast combatant that he is, should be able to keep up with Ichigo. I can't accurately judge this because they don't exist in the same universe.

One more thing I remembered while typing:

Goku is not only fast, but he is nigh-invunerable(sp?)! If their emotions and personalities was replaced with a killing rage, I suppose all Goku would do is transform into..what...Super Saiyan Two? Hell, Super Saiyan One to give them a chance. One Kamehameha Wave would destroy the fucking planet, if there are on one, everyone is on, and the resulting shockwave would that could damage nearby planets and throw them off of orbit, would make short work of anybody left alive or undead as in Ichigo case.

Seeing as Goku would proably teleport to somewhere safe, the afterlife for example, he would be the winner. The sad, sad winner with no family to return to. Wait! He's in the afterlife. He's visiting!

I could be wrong about the SS1 thing. Wait, it doesn't matter. Goku mastered SS1 and can stay in that state for like forever. Even if he wasn't in SS1 state, a simple 5x Kaiô-ken should be sufficient in destroying a planet.

Before you argue the powering up thing and Ichigo attack Goku while invisible, remember that Goku sends out shockwaves when powering up, especially when he reaching for a power state. The initial shockwave should push an unexpecting Ichigo off balance who probably is expecting that Goku is taking a shit.

Posted by God of Black Cock at 02/01/09 00:01:05

omg u fckin idiots even if lloush and light finish evryone off ichigo could let his hollow self take over that way llolsh cant controll him (cuz his split persenalitie isnt human thus not having a normal mind to control ) and besides ichgo is invisble to evryone so every will be dead! o and light cant kill a shinigami so he's as good as dead , not sure about allen walker he looks like a badass on google so im guesing hes a challenge.....

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/01/09 00:04:06

Also, I like to point out that if they're the real deal thinkers, that they would be able to formulate plans in a split second. A split-fucking-second. Lelouch would target someone with the ability to see and strike Ichigo before he dies, and Light got the devil's luck! Ichigo would probably be fighting Naruto, while Lelouch use Geass on Goku if given the chance.

Posted by God of Black Cock at 02/01/09 00:05:11

@FC Pyro!:

I believe you should take a look at my Naruto and Goku explanation. I already said there that Naruto should be able to see Ichigo in the faintest sense of the word. And Goku could destroy the area and teleport to somewhere safe.

And anyone, even if Goku couldn't see him, it'd take like (pulling shit out my ass now) five mask to even injure a serious, pissed off Super Saiyan you pick a number, bitch!, Goku! I went there.

Posted by God of Black Cock at 02/01/09 00:09:04

o and whats whith all the technical shit we all no if u controll goku u control the dragon ballz thus wining , all u have to do is wish evry one dead

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/01/09 00:14:32

u have a point about naruto but lets face it naruto cant live in the arena that long so ichigo just has to wait till he's dead then hell pick him off one by one

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/01/09 00:17:59

uhh true but.....damn, but what if evry one is powered down then goku has to yell for 20 min charge up all ichig has to do is say ooe magic word bankai!

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/01/09 00:22:11

sry for da spelling im using my psp

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/01/09 00:23:56

Here is something:

Wouldn't Naruto go on the offensive if Ichigo decides to wait?

And Goku! Who says that Ichigo Banka would even affect him? I'd imagine his skin, which should be harder than those who survived Krillin's Destruco Disc, would be way harder than Nnoitra's hierro. Remembering that in the later half of the series of Dragon Ball Z, that all characters are stronger than Freeza at that point, he should be able to survive most attacks short of planet destroying ones with little flinching.

Your spelling is okay. I'm not a picky person.

Posted by God of Black Cock at 02/01/09 00:43:49

but u cant just rule out the fact that light can controll goku and make him get the dragonballs , so at that instant ichigo can kill light and wish for extreme power , power that is more powerful then god himself o and goku would b dead becace light made him get the D.B 's so hell just die right after the command.

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/01/09 02:04:21

but u cant just rule out the fact that light can controll goku and make him get the dragonballs , so at that instant ichigo can kill light and wish for extreme power , power that is more powerful then god himself o and goku would b dead becace light made him get the D.B 's so hell just die right after the command.

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/01/09 02:04:55

o and naruto has limited power in his world and he constinly gets his ass kiked but ichgo has no limit he can even go past bankai so even if naruto could see him hell just get cut onuce and die cuz ninja die from a liltle blood lose but shinigami lose gallons and still fight on

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/01/09 02:11:55

Split second plan formulating isn't actually a necessary part of a thinker's repertoire. They are human and they are limited by human biology. My knowledge of Code Geass is in fact zero and I am going only by what I see from points in this discussion. However, Light at least needs a few seconds, at minimum, to make a plan.

You do make a good point with Goku being able to instantly annihalate a planet if he really wanted to, leaving no one alive, and teleporting himself to the afterlife where he could visit his buddies and have a nice meal. Likewise, there is no guarantee that even if Goku didn't instantly destroy everything, that Ichigo, even in Visored form, could do anything to Goku's ridiculous muscles. I just figured that if by some chance Ichigo were able to damage/kill Goku at all, he would have the advantage of a definite firsst strike, maybe more. And to be fair, Ichigo has seen dramatic power-ups and intense shockwaves before. It's like a sign of power in anime when you stand motionless with your cape flapping in the wind waiting for your opponent to power up. It happens in Bleach too.

The Ichigo being seen by Naruto issue? Sure, I suppose I could accept that happening. But sensing someone's general direction isn't quite enough to land attacks or respond against attacks properly. Unlike Shinigami, which seem to take sword thrusts in the stomach, arms, legs and occasionally the lung in stride, ninjas from Naruto seem more reasonably fragile, regardless of power level. I submit that this is because the Shinigami are dead anyway. A really fast flash step+slice is probably enough to get past Naruto's not really existent defence, even if he does Kyuubi/Sage himself the moment he enters the arena. Several Flash Step/slice combinations can of course be executed in a split second. Ichigo's Hollow Form, obviously activated immediately, affords him that type of ability for energy expenditure.

If we assume that everyone stays in their own "universe" for the preparation time before the big fight, Light is in modern day Japan. He has anime for research at his disposal. This is, I suppose, something of a stretched point. However, it doesn't seem altogether unreasonable that he does. Now, it likewise stands to reason that Ichigo may have watched Death Note, and thus knew that it would be a bad idea to change off of his Shinigami form in the time before he killed Light. This is not a point that I had considered before. It's more prompted by your objection against Light killing people. You could theoretically say that before they go to the arena, Light doesn't even know what the people's faces look like and thus can't kill anyone. However, in this situation, Light will in fact die no matter which situation you put him in. After all, you have super-fast people and a mind controller. Someone is going probably going to kill him.

I suppose that it is also important that we know what degree of information is available to the "thinkers," such as they were, and whether or not they "exist" in the same "universe" before the battle begins. In this way, I suppose the situation with preparational time is rather complex and should really be discarded.

I dislike the Lelouch issue you bring up, again due to information issues. If Lelouch knows everyone's abilities, it stands to reason that everyone else knows Lelouch's abilities. Ichigo, Goku and Naruto, all not really wanting to be mind controlled (and who can blame them?), Flash Step, Instantly Transmit and NINJA (This is what Naruto does) their way to Lelouch, only allowing him time to mind control one of them before dying against the other two. Likewise, even if Light were able to take out his pen, he probably wouldn't be able to write much before dying against one of the three. So yes, I suppose I am disagreeing with my own point.

Posted by Giant Robot at 02/01/09 03:01:52

@Giant Robot:

Yeah, I see, I see.

I admit that the split-second thinking/plan-making was stupid on my part. Even the best plans can be overcome by brute force (or in this case, speed).

On the Naruto-Ichigo thing, I wish to point out that there was an error in my previous post. While I was thinking about, I was changing my mind on the extent to which he could see Ichigo. I was going to go back and make it so that it agrees with the 'be able to see the distorted-glass-like figure' statement.

The issue of speed also comes into play. Speed in DBZ (in my own not-so humble opinion) is more defined than in Naruto or Bleach. Well, maybe not Bleach, but in Naruto, the creator can't seem to decide how fast the Ninja's body can react.

While I have to admit that Ichigo (if there was actually a scale to determine the difference in a neutral plane) would probably beat Naruto in speed, the power thing is inconsistant, I believe. I don't remember quite well, but doesn't his power shifts from time to time (as to weakly explain why Ichigo can beat someone up at one minute and gets his ass handed to him the next). That could get him in trouble with Warriors arguable at his level.

I'll accept that Naruto has a slim chance to none against Ichigo.
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The Light statements were meant to be more of 'don't sell a brotha short' type thing. I already got it in my head that he would lose to Lelouch, Ichigo, or an evil, insane Goku in every scenario.

I, however, have no excuse for the Lelouch arguement. I guess I didn't think everything out there. The only point I could make to counter this is that if they all went to Lelouch, they'd allow Light time to write one or two of their names down depending on fast he writes...

And did you seriously say NINJA his way to Lelouch?

Posted by God of Black Cock at 02/01/09 22:50:43

[i]Oops.[/i] When I said, ' already got it in my head that he would lose to Lelouch, Ichigo, or an evil, insane Goku in every scenario', I meant, 'in almost every scenario'.
<i>Word.</i>

Posted by God of Black Cock at 02/01/09 22:53:37

I guess I can't Italicize.
Sigh.

Oh, yes, I do agree we get rid of the prep-scenario. Preparation could be anything. I shudder to think what Goku could do with a week, or however long an hour would allow him in the hyperbaulic time chamber thing-a-gig.

Plus, I was running out of arguments; all of the ones I used could be countered by an opposing character doing something of the similar nature.
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@Giant Robot's "Ichigo, Goku and Naruto, all not really wanting to be mind controlled (and who can blame them?)":

I actually been hypnotized before. It was kinky.

Posted by God of Black Cock at 02/01/09 22:58:30

It's nice to argue with someone on equal footing. It's polite and we come to consensus..es really quickly. Don't get me wrong, I like intellectualism as much as the next...guy that likes intellectualism...but brawn in sufficient quantities could very feasibly win.

In the question of Ichigo's power, his fluctuating power was commented upon by Ulquiorra. It was actually for a good reason at the time. Ichigo was struggling to control his Hollow powers, which kept manifesting despite him not wanting them to. After his training with the Visoreds, I assume that the power fluctuations have all but disappeared. His inconsistent result between the Grimmjow and Nnoitra fights is obviously explained by the fact that he just beat one super-powerful opponent and is understandably battered and bruised. With Hollow Mask power-up, I do believe he could take Naruto on, if only by the fact that he totally took four of Grimmjow's pillar-annihalating blasts in the back and went on to beat him. As I had said, Ninja's seem more reasonably fragile than Shingami.

The Hyperbolic Time Chamber allows Goku one year per day. So an hour gives him half a month or about two weeks. Though he is already the most conventionally powerful character there. More training technically shouldn't do much for him.

Even in super-close zoom dramatic writing mode (one of Light's special abilities apparently, that he can also use when eating chips) he takes some time to write down a name. Likewise, it seems that he would need to do the eye thing before being able to know everyone's name, seeing as Lelouch and Goku both have pseudonyms. Instant Transmission is instantaneous, Flash Step looks near-instantaneous. NINJAING is pretty damn fast too. I don't think he's get the chance. Lelouch doesn't have any super-physiology that would block any of the three people's attacks as far as I know.

Well...you know...Ichigo has Flash Steps, Goku has Instant Transmission, Naruto doesn't have a speed technique. They jump from tree to tree basically. "Jump" was obviously insufficiently dramatic. So I went with NINJA. I am sure you will agree that NINJAING is a perfectly legitimate verb with well-defined characteristics.

Hypnosis is only voluntary right? No such thing as forced hypnosis?

In review: Goku wins in a scenario where everyone goes in with the express intention of killing everything.
Subcategory: If Goku does not immediately annihalate the world, Ichigo has a slim chance.
If everyone goes into the arena with no idea where they are and have the rules of the contest explained to them, Lelouch wins unless Ichigo is already in Shinigami form. This is barring Lelouch being able to read Light's expression when Light obviously sees Ichigo in the room. However, I do believe that Light is sufficiently paranoid about everything to keep any and all information he happens to get for himself.

Posted by Giant Robot at 02/01/09 23:31:54

if all the charecters are dumped in an arena evryone is going to go after the bigst threat GOKU so while ichigo naruto lleoch luffy and dat other guy are busy attmting to kill goku light will be in the back round picking them off one by one ( i mean come on who would u go after at first glance a raging planet destroyer or a guy with a book ) all light has to do to kill ichigo is let him touch the death note letting lights shinigami to fight him (im asuming lights shinigami will win cuz ichigo hase litle

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/02/09 00:24:15

experince ( o and ppl if ur wondering why i dont use big wordz like the guy who posted on top of me its because im 14 i)

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/02/09 00:26:52

This site IS 18+. So maybe your excuse isn't as great as it should be. I also don't wonder why you don't use big words. That issue is a matter of style. I wonder why you don't spell the small words you do use correctly. That is a matter of grammar.

The error with your point on the other hand is that you contradict yourself. If Goku is the planet destroyer you claim, he would have destroyed the planet and therefore won long before Light has a chance to first do the eye deal and two write down a name.

Alternatively, these people can move so fast that it doesn't matter that they first take out those that don't seem threatening. If you enter an arena with the express intention of killing everyone, it stands to reason that you believe that you can win. Therefore, you ideally want a one on one situation with the major opponent. You certainly don't want that kid with the book over there doing anything sneaky and killing him will take what? Half a second? Ichigo can definitely spare that.

Posted by Giant Robot at 02/02/09 17:38:08

I just thought calling what Naruto do half the time NINJAing is a very liberal use of the word, not that the verb itself is weird.

The Hypnotizism thing was a joke. I was planning on going further and explain it as BDSM thing, but explaining the joke right here kind of ruined it. :D

You mentioned the SuperHollywood close up, but you forgot the Red and Blue team time-freeze thought moment that he does. 'Though still useless, it is still worth mentioning.

Thanks for explaining the Bleach thing. I left off for a while and only skimmed through the chapters I missed.

I guess that's that. Goku win because of his hei...skin and planet destroying ki-blasts, and Lelouch has a good chance of winning because of his Geass which he could trade (correct me if I'm mistaken) for immortality or use.

It was kind of unfair to place someone who could destroy planets against people who can't even destroy Mt. Everest anyway.

I wish we could debate Allen from D. Gray Man, but alas, I don't know shit about him. I'm not even sure he's from D. Gray Man.
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If only people could sit down and talk about Lolicon, Futanari, and Bakunyu (Extremely large breast) without calling each other sick-fuck....
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@FC Pyro!:

You forget, Pyro. The shinigami doesn't necessarily have to listen to the Book holder. Remember the ending of Death Note? I doubt Ryuk would fight in a battle that would put himself in danger. Hell, he'd write down Light's name if he even begin to think of doing something like that.

Posted by God of Black Cock at 02/02/09 17:41:48

to giant robot dude doesnt goku charge up for a period of time any wayz goku already wished the planet back twice ( i think) so if he destoyed the planet itll be gone for good and he'll be sent to hell , and besides goku desnt kill oppenets that cant even touch him . ichigo also wont kill for no reason so he wont attdmpt to kill evryone cuz there standing there confused . and ussally light keeps a piece of the death note not the whole god damn book out in the open so ur not going to kill cuz he's checking

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/02/09 23:29:42

the time on his watch ( if uve seen the final episode the piece of the death note was in his watch ) zero in combat will attemt to control goku cuz hes sittin there doing nothing ( he'll controll him first from the reaction of ichigo naruto and lights shinigami , from all the energy flowing out of goku ) zero will take controll of goku while zero is taking controll of goku light will get the shinigamis eye and get zeroz name then in those 40 sec zero will take out all phiscal fighters then when he geos to

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/02/09 23:42:11

the smirking guy in the backround zero will sudenly die alone with goku cuz light wrote his name down befor zero because the momment zeros dead goku will be free and attack light so he wrote goku first then zero also light will avoid eye contact cuz he saw what he did goku so he wont get controlled ,so is that a good come back?

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/02/09 23:47:42

o and zero cant be imortal he'll need c.c but c.c cnt be there cuz its only zero thats there

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/02/09 23:54:56

You obviously never read the qualifier. Learn to read qualifiers. That's really all I feel like saying to you.

Posted by Giant Robot at 02/03/09 16:52:03

uhh qua .....wha?

Posted by fc pyro! at 02/03/09 19:27:17

Wow, 75 comments, that's quite a discussion!

Posted by Raikoh at 02/11/09 02:07:22

Goku would win because hes power level is OVER 9000!!!1!!!!

Posted by Vegeta at 06/13/09 03:59:17

You should've added some Street Fighter into that mix of fighting, Ryu would win hands down! :3

Posted by MikeBison at 07/01/09 13:06:18

I know this is extremely late but...doesn't Goku count as a shinigami? cause a shinigami is just a dead person with high spirit energy, right? So if goku were in the bleach universe he would be classified as a shinigami so technically light couldn't kill goku even if he did know his real name.

Posted by Noctis at 10/23/09 02:24:20

If this is like the actual Battle Royale where they start in a briefing room then Lelouch would win. Use geass on Light to kill everybody he can with the death note and then himself, and whoever is left will be controlled by the geass to kill themselves.

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